{"id":30861,"date":"2019-11-12T11:00:25","date_gmt":"2019-11-12T12:00:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerscout.com\/?p=30861"},"modified":"2019-11-12T13:06:28","modified_gmt":"2019-11-12T13:06:28","slug":"the-more-the-merrier-many-players-rethinking-re-entry-tournament-format","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerscout.com\/the-more-the-merrier-many-players-rethinking-re-entry-tournament-format\/","title":{"rendered":"The more the merrier? Many Players Rethinking Re-entry Tournament Format"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The issue of <strong>re-entry tournaments<\/strong> has been a hot topic on <strong>social media<\/strong> lately. Are they good for poker? Should the number of re-entries be more limited or done away with altogether?<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a debate that doesn\u2019t seem to be going away. <strong>Daniel Negreanu<\/strong> has long been a critic of re-entry events, preferring the days when freezeouts were the norm.<\/p>\n<p>The argument spurred comments and opinions throughout the past few weeks. Some even offered ideas on possible changes to re-entry poker tournament formats.<\/p>\n<div class=\"redheader-cta tb_edit_table\">\n<div class=\"tb_editlinks\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"usp-table cta\">\n<div class=\"sr-header\">\n<p>Play Online Poker for Real Cash Prizes \u2013 US Players Accepted<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<ul class=\"usp-list\">\n<li>\n<ul class=\"usp-item\">\n<li class=\"usp-logo\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"thirstylinkimg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pokerscout.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/global-logo-7.png\" \/>Visit Global Poker &#8211; US Players Accepted<\/li>\n<li class=\"usp-bonus\">5,000 Gold CoinsOn Sign Up<\/li>\n<li class=\"usp-details\">Global Poker &#8211; US Players Accepted ReviewOverall Grade A\n<ul class=\"usp-item-checklist-alt\">\n<li><i class=\"fa fa-check\"><\/i>Games B+<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"fa fa-check\"><\/i>Support A<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"fa fa-check\"><\/i>Banking A+<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"fa fa-check\"><\/i>Signup Bonus A<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"usp-button\">PLAY NOW<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The issue certainly seems to be top of mind for many with many weighing in with their own analysis.<\/p>\n<p><em>A <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerscout.com\/re-entry-tournaments-stoke-debate-among-players\/\">longer version of this article<\/a> recently appeared on <strong>PokerScout.com<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n<h2><span id=\"debate_rages_on_re-entry_poker_tournaments\">Debate rages on re-entry poker tournaments<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>The re-entry format has been the norm for most tournament events for several years now. Tours like the <strong>World Poker Tour<\/strong> and others make use of the format for a few reasons.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><b>Prize pools<\/b> \u2013 Many feel re-entries help build prize pools, and offer larger payouts, which players have come to expect.<\/li>\n<li><b>Happier players<\/b> \u2013\u00a0The theory is that players who travel the circuit regularly get more bang for the buck with re-entries. After spending money on travel, a chance to re-enter after an early elimination offers a chance to get back in action.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Critics argue that re-entry formats benefit well-financed pros. Players with more money can fire away until they build large stacks with a better shot to run deep.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dylan Linde<\/strong> won the <strong>WPT Five Diamond World Poker Classic<\/strong> last December for $1.6 million after firing five bullets. Those re-entries ran $10,400 each.<\/p>\n<p>In an event that paid 126 players, Linde had to finish at least 24th just to make a small profit. Some players point to this type of bullet firing to show what\u2019s wrong with the system.<\/p>\n<p>Others argue re-entries are good for all involved regardless of poker status. The system is the same for everyone and players can decide what\u2019s best for them.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cA good reg can get coolered too and have another chance,\u201d poker pro <strong>Daniel Strelitz<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/dDeoxyribo\/status\/1189753097616338945?s=20\">noted on Twitter<\/a>.\u00a0Others echo similar thoughts.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">There&#8217;s a discussion to be had about whether tourneys allow too many rebuys, but pros playing crazy to try to build up a stack is good for recs\/one bulleters and doesn&#8217;t really happen at the highest stakes.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Sam Greenwood (@SamGreenwoodRIO) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SamGreenwoodRIO\/status\/1189585132581281792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 30, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h2><span id=\"criticism_brings_some_suggestions_for_alternatives\">Criticism brings some suggestions for alternatives<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Beyond simply favoring <strong>freezeouts<\/strong> and poker events with fewer re-entries, Negreanu thinks his return on investment is lower in these events.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI believe this, but cannot prove it as fact: most pros who play a tournament with no re-entry option will have a higher ROI on that bullet than their first bullet if they are planning to reenter,\u201d he <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RealKidPoker\/status\/1189792462795157504?s=20\">Tweeted this week<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Kid Poker<\/strong> suggested paying out the number of players responsible for the prize pool rather than entries. A <strong>shorter number of payouts<\/strong> might help curb late registrations, he argues.<\/p>\n<p>Others argued this top-heavy payout system would favor pros. Either way, Negreanu plans on adjusting his own tournament registration procedures in the future.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">After this WSOPE I\u2019m strongly considering playing only one bullet in any re-entry tournament.<\/p>\n<p>By going in with a mindset that you only get one shot, I think it can have a positive affect on your play.<\/p>\n<p>Too often me, and others make -EV decisions in re-entry<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Daniel Negreanu (@RealKidPoker) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RealKidPoker\/status\/1188450554772676609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 27, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One alternative idea is allowing <strong>fewer re-entries<\/strong>, maybe even a single extra bullet. Others favored smaller chip stacks for those who enter late or banning late registration altogether.<\/p>\n<p>Some players don\u2019t necessarily enjoy re-entry events. But they feel these can be good for recreational players when considering some pros\u2019 expected value (EV).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe one good thing about it when top pros are playing re-entries at lower than their average buy-in, they tend to\u00a0 play the re-entry period in a negative-EV fashion that is good for their opponents,\u201d poker pro <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AriEngelPoker\/status\/1189893214968459266?s=20\"><strong>Ari Engel<\/strong> notes<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPlease don\u2019t misunderstand \u2013 re-entries are awful, but this is one of the few good things about them for the perspective of the average player in the field, losing less money long run.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2><span id=\"not_good_for_recreational_players_what_about_prize_pools\">Not good for recreational players? What about prize pools?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Others certainly believe re-entries hurt <strong>recreational players<\/strong>\u2019 chances in big events. But if prize pools diminish, would recreational players be as attracted to major poker tournaments?<\/p>\n<p>Negreanu remains a believer in non-re-entry events, and believes fewer re-entries not only help recreational players but also pros. His argument is that pros tend to play better when they know there are fewer chances to get back in.<\/p>\n<p>Some properties may be adjusting The <strong>Commerce Casino<\/strong> kicked off the <strong>LA Poker Open<\/strong> on Nov. 1. Players wouldn\u2019t be allowed to re-enter in a starting flight in which they\u2019ve been eliminated.<\/p>\n<p>These players could then enter another starting flight. There would also be no re-entry in one-day events. It\u2019s an effort to thread the needle a bit on this issue and offer something a bit different.<\/p>\n<h2><span id=\"the_wsop_weighs_in_on_the_issue\">The WSOP weighs in on the issue<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>The World Series of Poker has mostly been a holdout in keeping re-entries at a minimum in most events. It does offer some re-entry tournaments, including the gargantuan field record setters.<\/p>\n<p>However, much of the series remain in the freezeout format or offer\u00a0 limited re-entries. Here are some statistics from this summer\u2019s <strong>89-event series<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><b><\/b><b>Freezeouts<\/b> \u2013 42 events including the <strong>Monster Stack<\/strong>, <strong>Mini-Main Event<\/strong>, and <strong>Main Event<\/strong>. These represented <strong>46.6%<\/strong> of all bracelet events.<\/li>\n<li><b>Single re-entry<\/b> \u2013\u00a032 events, representing <strong>35%<\/strong> of bracelet events.<\/li>\n<li><b>Freezeouts and single<\/b> <b>re-entry <\/b>\u2013\u00a0Combined, these made up about <strong>80%<\/strong> of bracelet events.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Seth Palansky<\/strong>, Caesars\/WSOP vice president of corporate communications, notes that <strong>WSOP staff<\/strong> tends to be more conservative when it comes to re-entries. However, sometimes an additional entry can be favorable for certain events.<\/p>\n<p>The WSOP takes a nuanced approach, Palansky says, and doesn\u2019t think about re-entries in isolation.\u00a0Other major considerations when scheduling events include starting: chip stack, level lengths, late registration periods, scheduled length of tournament, dealer costs, fees to pay dealers and staff, allocated dealers and staff, event location, number of events being run at the venue, venue objectives, length of series, and more.<\/p>\n<h2><span id=\"more_study_may_be_needed_for_solutions\">More study may be needed for solutions<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Palansky believes the issue deserves more study in the industry beyond social media. Re-entries provide value for players by swelling prize pools and make it easier for operators to meet guarantees.<\/p>\n<p>There have been unintended consequences however.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSome have found the combination of re-entries and late registration as a way to gain an edge,\u201d Palansky says. \u201cPoker is all about exploiting edges or perceived value, but the other side of the coin is to understand whether there is a level playing field for all who enter an event.<\/p>\n<p>The WSOP believes\u00a0the pendulum has swung too far in the pro-re-entry direction.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s important that everyone who enters an event has a chance to win that event,\u201d Palansky says. \u201cCertainly skill alters that and that\u2019s okay \u2013 as in all of sports and competitions. But buying your way into the money is a concern. Re-entry has its place, it is just a matter of finding the right balance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The post The more the merrier? 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